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POR FAVOR VAMOS TODOS ENFRENTAR ESSA CAMBADA, NÃO CUSTA NADA APENAS UNS MINUTINHOS.



Já todos sabemos que o nosso Portugal está a ser alvo da Moodys (e outras, mas esta mais recentemente), sem reais avaliações e desrespeitando o esforço que os portugueses estão a fazer para ultrapassar este bocado!

A ideia é simples... querem guerra? Pois não sabem com que povo se estão a meter... vamos retaliar como podemos, dentro das nossas capacidades!
...Comecemos pela internet... Um servidor web tem uma capacidade máxima de resposta. Raro é um servidor web que suporta mais de 3000 conexões em simultâneo!
Posto isto, vamos provocar o que tecnicamente se chama de "Distributed Denial of Service (DDos)". Consiste numa simultânea conexão ao site da moodys de vários milhares de comp***dores. Isso provocará um bloqueio na resposta do servidor, deixando de ter capacidade para responder. Geralmente bloqueia o servidor web e muitas vezes obriga a um reinicio do sistema todo.

A prática é muito muito simples... à mesma hora, todos abrirmos o endereço http://www.moodys.com/ e fazermos uns quantos refreshs (actualizar) durante 3/4 minutos, de modo a cruzar os relógios de toda a gente.
Agora imaginem provocar uma inoperabilidade dos servidor web durante as horas de abertura da bolsa de nova iorque... em que a web, o e-mail e outras ferramentas asseguradas pelo servidor web são importantes!

Já sabem... a cada hora em ponto, entre as 15h00 (10am em NY) e as 21h00 (4pm em NY) vamos visitar o website da moodys e actualizá-lo inúmeras vezes durante uns minutos!!

Contra os canhões, marchar, marchar!!







 

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16 horas estava crashado, só começou a funcar às 16h04.




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Está quase nas 17h... bora lá meter os americanos à nora...

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bah! ou aumentaram a capacidade dos servidores ou faltou quorum...
funcionou sempre...:-(


 

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Fica somente aqui algo para ler com calma, antes de dispararem.

ATENCAO que nao estou a defender ninguem, mas leiam antes para ficarem por dentro.
Uma coisa e' certa QUEM CONTROLA os "controladores"


Va peguem numa chavena de cha e leiam:

Global Credit Research - 05 Jul 2011
London, 05 July 2011 -- Moody's Investors Service has today downgraded Portugal's long-term government bond ratings to Ba2 from Baa1 and assigned a negative outlook. Concurrently, Moody's has also downgraded the government's short-term debt rating to (P) Not-Prime from (P) Prime-2. Today's rating action concludes the review of Portugal's ratings initiated on 5 April 2011.



The following drivers prompted Moody's decision to downgrade and assign a negative outlook:

1. The growing risk that Portugal will require a second round of official financing before it can return to the private market, and the increasing possibility that private sector creditor participation will be required as a pre-condition.

2. Heightened concerns that Portugal will not be able to fully achieve the deficit reduction and debt stabilisation targets set out in its loan agreement with the European Union (EU) and International Monetary Fund (IMF) due to the formidable challenges the country is facing in reducing spending, increasing tax compliance, achieving economic growth and supporting the banking system.



RATINGS RATIONALE



The first driver informing today's downgrade of Portugal's sovereign rating is the increasing probability that Portugal will not be able to borrow at sustainable rates in the capital markets in the second half of 2013 and for some time thereafter. Such a scenario would necessitate further rounds of official financing, and this may require the participation of existing investors in proportion to the size of their holdings of debt that will become due.



Moody's notes that European policymakers have grown increasingly concerned about the shifting of Greek debt held by private investors onto the balance sheets of the official sector. Should a Greek restructuring become necessary at some future date, a shift from private to public financing would imply that an increasingly large share of the cost would need to be borne by public sector creditors. To offset this risk, some policymakers have proposed that private sector participation should be a precondition for additional rounds of official lending to Greece.



Although Portugal's Ba2 rating indicates a much lower risk of restructuring than Greece's Caa1 rating, the EU's evolving approach to providing official support is an important factor for Portugal because it implies a rising risk that private sector participation could become a precondition for additional rounds of official lending to Portugal in the future as well. This development is significant not only because it increases the economic risks facing current investors, but also because it may discourage new private sector lending going forward and reduce the likelihood that Portugal will soon be able to regain market access on sustainable terms.



The second driver of today's rating action is Moody's concern that Portugal will not achieve the deficit reduction target -- to 3% by 2013 from 9.1% last year as projected in the EU-IMF programme -- due to the formidable challenges the country is facing in reducing spending, increasing tax compliance, achieving economic growth and supporting the banking system. As a result, the country may be unable to stabilise its debt/GDP ratio by 2013. Specifically, Moody's is concerned about the following sources of risk to the budget deficit projections:

1) The government's plans to restrain its spending may prove difficult to implement in full in sectors such as healthcare, state-owned enterprises and regional and local governments.

2) The government's plans to improve tax compliance (and, hence, generate the projected additional revenues) within the timeframe of the loan programme and, in combination with the factor above, may hinder the authorities' ability to reduce the budget deficit as targeted.

3) Economic growth may turn out to be weaker than expected, which would compromise the government's deficit reduction targets. Moreover, the anticipated fiscal consolidation and bank deleveraging would further exacerbate this. Consensus growth forecasts for the country have been revised downwards following the EU/IMF loan agreement. Even after these downward revisions, Moody's believes the risks to economic growth remain skewed to the downside.

4) There is a non-negligible possibility that Portugal's banking sector will require support beyond what is currently envisaged in the EU/IMF loan agreement. Any capital infusion into the banking system from the government would add additional debt to its balance sheet.



Moody's acknowledges that its earlier concerns about political uncertainty within Portugal itself have been largely resolved. Portugal's national elections on 5 June led to the formation of a viable government, both components of which had campaigned on the basis of supporting the EU-IMF loan agreement negotiated by the previous government. Moody's also acknowledges the policy initiatives announced at the end of June demonstrate the new Portuguese government's commitment to the programme. However, the downside risks (as detailed above) are such that Moody's now considers the government long-term bond rating to be more appropriately positioned at Ba2. The negative outlook reflects the implementation risks associated with the government's ambitious plans.



WHAT COULD CHANGE THE RATING UP/DOWN



Developments that could stabilise the outlook or lead to an upgrade would be a reduction in the likelihood that private sector participation might be required as precondition for future rounds of official support or evidence that Portugal is likely to achieve or exceed its deficit reduction targets.



A further downgrade could be triggered by a significant slippage in the execution of the government's fiscal consolidation programme, a further downward revision of the country's economic growth prospects or an increased risk that further support requires private sector participation.



PREVIOUS RATING ACTION AND THE METHODOLOGY



Moody's previous rating action on Portugal was implemented on 5 April 2011, when the rating agency downgraded the government's long-term debt rating by one notch to Baa1 and placed it on review for further possible downgrade. It also downgraded the government's short-term debt rating to (P) Prime-2 from (P) Prime-1.



The principal methodology used in this rating was Sovereign Bond Ratings Methodology was published in September 2008. Please see the Credit Policy page on www.moodys.com for a copy of this methodology.



REGULATORY DISCLOSURES



For ratings issued on a program, series or category/class of debt, this announcement provides relevant regulatory disclosures in relation to each rating of a subsequently issued bond or note of the same series or category/class of debt or pursuant to a program for which the ratings are derived exclusively from existing ratings in accordance with Moody's rating practices. For ratings issued on a support provider, this announcement provides relevant regulatory disclosures in relation to the rating action on the support provider and in relation to each particular rating action for securities that derive their credit ratings from the support provider's credit rating. For provisional ratings, this announcement provides relevant regulatory disclosures in relation to the provisional rating assigned, and in relation to a definitive rating that may be assigned subsequent to the final issuance of the debt, in each case where the transaction structure and terms have not changed prior to the assignment of the definitive rating in a manner that would have affected the rating. For further information please see the ratings tab on the issuer/entity page for the respective issuer on www.moodys.com.



The rating has been disclosed to the rated entity or its designated agents and issued with no amendment resulting from that disclosure.



Information sources used to prepare the rating are the following: parties involved in the ratings, public information, and confidential and proprietary Moody's Investors Service information.



Moody's considers the quality of information available on the rated entity, obligation or credit satisfactory for the purposes of issuing a rating.



Moody's adopts all necessary measures so that the information it uses in assigning a rating is of sufficient quality and from sources Moody's considers to be reliable including, when appropriate, independent third-party sources. However, Moody's is not an auditor and cannot in every instance independently verify or validate information received in the rating process.

Moody's Investors Service may have provided Ancillary or Other Permissible Service(s) to the rated entity or its related third parties within the three years preceding the credit rating action. Please see the ratings disclosure page on our website www.moodys.com for further information.

Please see Moody's Rating Symbols and Definitions on the Rating Process page on www.moodys.com for further information on the meaning of each rating category and the definition of default and recovery.

Please see ratings tab on the issuer/entity page on www.moodys.com for the last rating action and the rating history.

The date on which some ratings were first released goes back to a time before Moody's ratings were fully digitized and accurate data may not be available. Consequently, Moody's provides a date that it believes is the most reliable and accurate based on the information that is available to it. Please see the ratings disclosure page on our website www.moodys.com for further information.

Please see www.moodys.com for any updates on changes to the lead rating analyst and to the Moody's legal entity that has issued the rating.

London
Anthony Thomas
Vice President - Senior Analyst
Sovereign Risk Group
Moody's Investors Service Ltd.
JOURNALISTS: 44 20 7772 5456
SUBSCRIBERS: 44 20 7772 5454


New York
Bart Oosterveld
MD - Sovereign Risk
Sovereign Risk Group
Moody's Investors Service, Inc.
JOURNALISTS: 212-553-0376
SUBSCRIBERS: 212-553-1653


Moody's Investors Service Ltd.
One Canada Square
Canary Wharf
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WTF:dizzy_face::dizzy_face::dizzy_face:


Abaixo a Moody's, SP's e afins. Indepenência Europeia já!



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quote:Originally posted by PedroUMM

WTF:dizzy_face::dizzy_face::dizzy_face:


Abaixo a Moody's, SP's e afins. Indepenência Europeia já!


Indepenencia:D europeia...
eu diria melhor...

Independencia portuguesa...
onde e' que com a vinda da "CEE" Portugal ficou melhor?

Sim venham "aquelas coisas e as outras"...mas depois disso?
em que ficamos melhor?

Quando paises como Inglaterra nao viram nada atractivo
como outros paises que nao aderiram a este grande "saco de confusao economica"....


Pedrinho me amori...
olha que nao me importa nadinha o que a moodys diz..
se reparares o BCE = banco central europeu ignorou, e complementou a sua atitude de ignorar.

Nao me custa nada disparar uns tiritos la para a moodys...ate por acaso com centro nevralgico tambem ca por londres como ves (infelizmenete)

Mas dar uns tiritos para os gajos so lhe vou dar importancia.
Achas que ca no forum este ou aquele que nao me grama (porque nao me conhece de verdade) me vai fazer andar aos tiritos com ele?

THINK BETTER!
:p

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Acho que estar fora da UE é de se excluir, mas sermos mais independentes dentro da UE concordo. O Reino Unido faz parte da UE;), excluiu foi o Euro, não sei se bem ou mal...



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Sim sim...vais ver os gregos a puxar a "ficha" da maquina...
Olha o que te digo.

A nao ser as ligacoes "americanas" a grecia ou por outras os gregos que estao "ligados" aos estados unidos.
Independencia na UE nao e' possivel acredita.

Infelizmente economias menos fortes sao sempre "usadas" e sao precisas ate para "gerarem" lucro.
Se estivessemos "fora" tinhamos o pouco que tinhamos mas era nosso.

Pedro ...a grecia esta a ser vendida ao "desbarato" nem imaginas o quanto se arrependem de ter entrado para a "CEE".
E olha que entraram uns anitos antes de Portugal.


CEE para ja e' um "clube" mal gerido e que toca nos bolsos de todos nos infelizmente.
 

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Deixa lá, vive mas é a vida(é o que eu penso para mim) que um dia isto vai melhorar... Yellowstone cada vez está mais "inchado" e os americanos cada vez mais condenados...



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quote:Originally posted by viriato

quote:Originally posted by PedroUMM

Deixa l�, vive mas � a vida(� o que eu penso para mim) que um dia isto vai melhorar... Yellowstone cada vez est� mais "inchado" e os americanos cada vez mais condenados...



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:D:D:D:D:D:D

Um abra�o de amizade,

-jo�o pereira-

ps: e as Can�rias PEdro? :blush::D:D:D:D



As Canárias ainda não metem medo... Há aquele grande vulcão na Gran Canária e há o El Teide em Tenerife, ambos com uma actividade muito insignificante ou nula.



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A meu ver a questão não está na razão...tod@s sabemos que a Moody's não disse nada de novo no que se refere ao País, mas por arrasto está a levar muitas empresas portuguesas que também estão a ser sub-avaliadas.

Considero que a posição da Moody's chegou fora de tempo (com um Governo recém instalado resultante da decisão da maior parte dos protugueses) e envolta numa grande leviandade sem levar em linha de conta as repercussões sociais de tal sub-avaliação.

A Moody's ao humilhar-nos desta forma, apenas nos ofereceu a motivação colectiva de que andávamos à procura ;)


cUMMprimentos,
 
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