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Valter Ferreira
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Valter Ferreira
Clube UMM
Socio nº 0058
quote:Originally posted by alex
Basicamente, este representa tudo o que nos tem destruído: especulação financeira. Sonha com a queda para poder fazer dinheiro. Muito agradecido...
cUMMprimenTTos
Alexandre Madeira
Sócio Club UMM nº236
UMM Cournil 04/83
Partilho a mesma opinião...
Free2UMM
Já agora, este 'corretor de bolsa' afinal era uma farsa e não passava de um simples investidor que 'gosta de falar em público'!
Um grande FAIL por parte da BBC!!!
Curioso é o facto de que muitos deram importância às palavras deste senhor, podendo levar a consequencias drásticas, quando afinal não passava de uma actuação...assim se vê a fragilidade da nossa sociedade! Hehehe
"(...) tem apenas 985 libras no banco (...) O mais que conseguiu foi perder 10.000$ na bolsa(...)"
E a partir daqui, qual é a credibilidade das noticias transmitidas na BBC?! Será que haverá mais cromos destes? E quem são os tipos que definem os ratings dos países? Tipos que também 'sonham com a crise quando se vão deitar'?!
http://www.agenciafinanceira.iol.pt...e-sonhar-agencia-financeira/1284736-4058.htmlhttp://www.agenciafinanceira.iol.pt...e-sonhar-agencia-financeira/1284736-4058.html
cUMMprimentos
Benjamim
http://www.wildoutlander.comhttp://www.wildoutlander.com
Um grande FAIL por parte da BBC!!!
Curioso é o facto de que muitos deram importância às palavras deste senhor, podendo levar a consequencias drásticas, quando afinal não passava de uma actuação...assim se vê a fragilidade da nossa sociedade! Hehehe
"(...) tem apenas 985 libras no banco (...) O mais que conseguiu foi perder 10.000$ na bolsa(...)"
E a partir daqui, qual é a credibilidade das noticias transmitidas na BBC?! Será que haverá mais cromos destes? E quem são os tipos que definem os ratings dos países? Tipos que também 'sonham com a crise quando se vão deitar'?!
http://www.agenciafinanceira.iol.pt...e-sonhar-agencia-financeira/1284736-4058.htmlhttp://www.agenciafinanceira.iol.pt...e-sonhar-agencia-financeira/1284736-4058.html
cUMMprimentos
Benjamim
http://www.wildoutlander.comhttp://www.wildoutlander.com
aloevera
UMMzão
Se tem tempo,
"gastem" algum na leitura deste link (que fala acerca exactamente desta peca de video)
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...r-tells-bbc-he-dreams-about-economic-disaster
ou caso ja tenho sido removido aqui fica o texto:
Honest broker or brilliant hoax? City trader tells BBC he 'dreams about' economic disaster
A city trader has become an internet sensation after he gave a BBC interview saying that he and his fellow traders 'dreamed about' economic recession because of the opportunity to make money.
Alessio Rastani appeared as an 'independent trader' on BBC News 24 to give his view on the troubles facing the Euro and stock markets.
He left presenter Martine Croxall open-mouthed in astonishment after he said that traders were not interested in a solution to the economic woes facing the world.
......
Mr Rastani said "Traders don't really care that much how they're going to fix the economy, how they're going to fix the whole situation. Our job is to make money from it.'
He added: "Personally, I've been dreaming of this moment for three years. I have a confession because I go to bed every night and I dream of a recession, I dream of a moment like this.
"The depression of the 30s wasn't just about the market crash - there were some people, who were prepared, who made money from that crash."
He added: "This is not a time now to hope that governments can sort things out. The governments don't rule the world. Goldman Sachs rules the world."
Urging viewers to learn how to make money in a falling market, Rastani added: "My prediction is that in less than 12 months the savings of millions of people are going to vanish."
Video of the interview was viewed by hundreds of thousands of internet users this morning as it was shared on Twitter and Facebook - but many people have questioned if Mr Rastani may have played a trick on the BBC.
Piers Morgan tweeted: "Is that outrageous BBC trader interviewee Alessio Rastani an infamous hoaxer? Anyone know?"
The BBC's Business editor Robert Peston today posted a message on Twitter linking to the interview and saying that it was a "must watch, if you want to understand the euro crisis & how markets work"
Peston later tweeted that he had heard suggestions that the BBC had been victim of a 'brilliant hoax' and that Mr Rastani may have been linked to YesMen, a group of activists who have repeatedly hoodwinked media organisations.
He wrote: "People telling me trader isn't genuine. Am trying to find out how BBC got him & who he is. But he says what traders say privately to me".
However he later added: "We spoke to the trader again this morning, & as far as we can tell he is a genuine independent trader, not a member of YesMen"
The BBC issued a statement this afternoon saying: ""We've carried out detailed investigations and can't find any evidence to suggest that the interview with Alessio Rastani was a hoax. He is an independent market trader and one of a range of voices we've had on air to talk about the recession."
......
AGORA ALGUNS COMENTARIOS:
- Colonel General Red, Greater Manchester United (27/09/2011 at 14:44)
This guy is a complete joke and I hope people don't that all your savings will vanish within the next 12 months!!! All UK banks are covered and will pay £50k in savings if anything happens just like Northen Rock did when it collapsed. So ignore this trader and enjoy your life and do not worry about the falling stock market.
However, I do believe him when he says do not worry about it!
- Matt Salford, Hulme (27/09/2011 at 15:03)
You have just demoted yourself to a 'lance jack' for that post.
Do you know anything about how banks work? Obviously not.
But please, send me details of how I can claim my '£50,000' from Northern Rock - as yet, I've seen nothing and have 'written off' an earlier (bad) investment.
- andy waytomakeacomment, Greater Manchester (27/09/2011 at 16:34)
Thanks for your economic analysis, Colonel, but think I know which one understands the concept of massive currency devaluation and inflation. (Hint: it's not you!)
- big g (28/09/2011 at 03:59)
@ andy, spot on mate. stealth tax to rob the masses!
- Albert Hammond (27/09/2011 at 15:29)
Not as far fetched as you think.
A prime example of what I think most traders are all about. They have no morals and operate in a market that is not properly regulated. Sod Joe Public and his investments/pension fund losses, they are only in it for personal gain. A set of crooks, fraudsters and con-men.
It's not the true bankers who are totally to blame for all the economic crisis, these market manipulators are guilty of more than their fair share..
-big g (28/09/2011 at 03:57)
im an independent trader and i resent what you are saying.
firstly, it was not these 'market manipulators' who provided mortgages to people who probably wouldnt be able to pay them. and it wasnt these 'market manipulators' who gave cdo securities AAA+ ratings despite being rubbish.
secondly, independent traders, as individuals cannot manipulate markets. how much difference can one person make? only the 'true bankers' can do that with the billions of pounds of capital. what independent traders can do is cause a huge movement one way or another in the market. however what you should understand is that if all the signs are there that the market is going to move in a particular direction then you will get a move, otherwise you will have a ranging market as traders cannot agree on the direction of the trend. independent traders react to the signs displayed by markets the cause of the problems are the underlying issues created by 'true bankers' as you put it.
finally, you seem upset about investments/pensions and rightly so but you are so misguided. do you really think an individual trader controls massive pension funds? it is the large corporate 'true bankers' that control these investments. so joe public should take it up with them instead of having a go at innocent people who despite your accusations of being crooks and fraudsters are breaking no laws and are making an honest living. last week i realised the price of gold was going to come down so i shorted gold. if i have the foresight to see that will happen, why shouldnt i profit from it? if you knew 20 years ago just how much house prices would rise, wouldnt you have invested in property?
the reality is the problems were caused by 'true bankers' and independent traders realised what was going on prepared for the inevitable. if you have any gripes take them up with the banks they caused this.
- bignutz, ashton (28/09/2011 at 13:59)
An Independent Trader wouldn't be seen DEAD wearing a shirt and tie.
Selling short can work both ways.
By observing the markets and a bit of argy bargy anyone can make cash.
It's having the hutzpar to use your own dimes rather than someone else's that causes issue.
What say you, big g
- ergo (27/09/2011 at 15:30)
We have known this for years.There have even been tv programmes abouty it.
One man recruited a team of novices. It did not take them more than 5 minutes to work out the only way to make money was to short shares. As a result British companies have been grossly undervalued for years. Until a foreigner realises of course and snaps them up. Nice for those investors who took a risk,but no good in the long run as future growth and dividends are gone for good. Unless they were bought by private equity and sold back at an inflated price like Debenhams
- Ignoramus, Manchester (27/09/2011 at 15:32)
I appluad his honesty, whats surprising is so many people seem to think hes joking.
- live42day, Mcr (28/09/2011 at 10:58)
the keynesian experiment is coming to an end, debt upon debt with money printing added, leads to hyperinflation, the only protection is Gold! fact - 1oz of Gold gets you the same items now as 1000yrs ago, fact - the £ has devalued 97% in 10 yrs!
- citycentre, manchester (28/09/2011 at 11:36)
Where are you keeping your gold?
- grumply old man, salford (28/09/2011 at 13:21)
Stock market traders only interested in making money and not caring about the lives of the ordinary people they ruin? Gosh what a revelation!!
They'll be telling us next Oil producers are just out to make money and holding countries to ransome!
Se estivessemos TODOS quietinhos e' que estavamos bem...ma agora que estamos no mesmo "saco"...vamos ver se dentro do "tambor" da maquina de lavar roupa nao vamos levar muita porrada...
Mas economicas mais fortes precisam sempre de economias menos forte para "lucrar" com essas menos fortes.
Maldita a hora que se ligou "tudo em rede"....
Tinhamos ficado como um paraiso fiscal e altamente atractivo...
mas e' assim...
YOU LIVE AND LEARN...
Minimizem os danos da queda...pois a queda e' certa.
EDIT: ele de ingles nao tem nada - descendencia italiana e "cresceu" na america - dai o seu sotaque.
"gastem" algum na leitura deste link (que fala acerca exactamente desta peca de video)
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...r-tells-bbc-he-dreams-about-economic-disaster
ou caso ja tenho sido removido aqui fica o texto:
Honest broker or brilliant hoax? City trader tells BBC he 'dreams about' economic disaster
A city trader has become an internet sensation after he gave a BBC interview saying that he and his fellow traders 'dreamed about' economic recession because of the opportunity to make money.
Alessio Rastani appeared as an 'independent trader' on BBC News 24 to give his view on the troubles facing the Euro and stock markets.
He left presenter Martine Croxall open-mouthed in astonishment after he said that traders were not interested in a solution to the economic woes facing the world.
......
Mr Rastani said "Traders don't really care that much how they're going to fix the economy, how they're going to fix the whole situation. Our job is to make money from it.'
He added: "Personally, I've been dreaming of this moment for three years. I have a confession because I go to bed every night and I dream of a recession, I dream of a moment like this.
"The depression of the 30s wasn't just about the market crash - there were some people, who were prepared, who made money from that crash."
He added: "This is not a time now to hope that governments can sort things out. The governments don't rule the world. Goldman Sachs rules the world."
Urging viewers to learn how to make money in a falling market, Rastani added: "My prediction is that in less than 12 months the savings of millions of people are going to vanish."
Video of the interview was viewed by hundreds of thousands of internet users this morning as it was shared on Twitter and Facebook - but many people have questioned if Mr Rastani may have played a trick on the BBC.
Piers Morgan tweeted: "Is that outrageous BBC trader interviewee Alessio Rastani an infamous hoaxer? Anyone know?"
The BBC's Business editor Robert Peston today posted a message on Twitter linking to the interview and saying that it was a "must watch, if you want to understand the euro crisis & how markets work"
Peston later tweeted that he had heard suggestions that the BBC had been victim of a 'brilliant hoax' and that Mr Rastani may have been linked to YesMen, a group of activists who have repeatedly hoodwinked media organisations.
He wrote: "People telling me trader isn't genuine. Am trying to find out how BBC got him & who he is. But he says what traders say privately to me".
However he later added: "We spoke to the trader again this morning, & as far as we can tell he is a genuine independent trader, not a member of YesMen"
The BBC issued a statement this afternoon saying: ""We've carried out detailed investigations and can't find any evidence to suggest that the interview with Alessio Rastani was a hoax. He is an independent market trader and one of a range of voices we've had on air to talk about the recession."
......
AGORA ALGUNS COMENTARIOS:
- Colonel General Red, Greater Manchester United (27/09/2011 at 14:44)
This guy is a complete joke and I hope people don't that all your savings will vanish within the next 12 months!!! All UK banks are covered and will pay £50k in savings if anything happens just like Northen Rock did when it collapsed. So ignore this trader and enjoy your life and do not worry about the falling stock market.
However, I do believe him when he says do not worry about it!
- Matt Salford, Hulme (27/09/2011 at 15:03)
You have just demoted yourself to a 'lance jack' for that post.
Do you know anything about how banks work? Obviously not.
But please, send me details of how I can claim my '£50,000' from Northern Rock - as yet, I've seen nothing and have 'written off' an earlier (bad) investment.
- andy waytomakeacomment, Greater Manchester (27/09/2011 at 16:34)
Thanks for your economic analysis, Colonel, but think I know which one understands the concept of massive currency devaluation and inflation. (Hint: it's not you!)
- big g (28/09/2011 at 03:59)
@ andy, spot on mate. stealth tax to rob the masses!
- Albert Hammond (27/09/2011 at 15:29)
Not as far fetched as you think.
A prime example of what I think most traders are all about. They have no morals and operate in a market that is not properly regulated. Sod Joe Public and his investments/pension fund losses, they are only in it for personal gain. A set of crooks, fraudsters and con-men.
It's not the true bankers who are totally to blame for all the economic crisis, these market manipulators are guilty of more than their fair share..
-big g (28/09/2011 at 03:57)
im an independent trader and i resent what you are saying.
firstly, it was not these 'market manipulators' who provided mortgages to people who probably wouldnt be able to pay them. and it wasnt these 'market manipulators' who gave cdo securities AAA+ ratings despite being rubbish.
secondly, independent traders, as individuals cannot manipulate markets. how much difference can one person make? only the 'true bankers' can do that with the billions of pounds of capital. what independent traders can do is cause a huge movement one way or another in the market. however what you should understand is that if all the signs are there that the market is going to move in a particular direction then you will get a move, otherwise you will have a ranging market as traders cannot agree on the direction of the trend. independent traders react to the signs displayed by markets the cause of the problems are the underlying issues created by 'true bankers' as you put it.
finally, you seem upset about investments/pensions and rightly so but you are so misguided. do you really think an individual trader controls massive pension funds? it is the large corporate 'true bankers' that control these investments. so joe public should take it up with them instead of having a go at innocent people who despite your accusations of being crooks and fraudsters are breaking no laws and are making an honest living. last week i realised the price of gold was going to come down so i shorted gold. if i have the foresight to see that will happen, why shouldnt i profit from it? if you knew 20 years ago just how much house prices would rise, wouldnt you have invested in property?
the reality is the problems were caused by 'true bankers' and independent traders realised what was going on prepared for the inevitable. if you have any gripes take them up with the banks they caused this.
- bignutz, ashton (28/09/2011 at 13:59)
An Independent Trader wouldn't be seen DEAD wearing a shirt and tie.
Selling short can work both ways.
By observing the markets and a bit of argy bargy anyone can make cash.
It's having the hutzpar to use your own dimes rather than someone else's that causes issue.
What say you, big g
- ergo (27/09/2011 at 15:30)
We have known this for years.There have even been tv programmes abouty it.
One man recruited a team of novices. It did not take them more than 5 minutes to work out the only way to make money was to short shares. As a result British companies have been grossly undervalued for years. Until a foreigner realises of course and snaps them up. Nice for those investors who took a risk,but no good in the long run as future growth and dividends are gone for good. Unless they were bought by private equity and sold back at an inflated price like Debenhams
- Ignoramus, Manchester (27/09/2011 at 15:32)
I appluad his honesty, whats surprising is so many people seem to think hes joking.
- live42day, Mcr (28/09/2011 at 10:58)
the keynesian experiment is coming to an end, debt upon debt with money printing added, leads to hyperinflation, the only protection is Gold! fact - 1oz of Gold gets you the same items now as 1000yrs ago, fact - the £ has devalued 97% in 10 yrs!
- citycentre, manchester (28/09/2011 at 11:36)
Where are you keeping your gold?
- grumply old man, salford (28/09/2011 at 13:21)
Stock market traders only interested in making money and not caring about the lives of the ordinary people they ruin? Gosh what a revelation!!
They'll be telling us next Oil producers are just out to make money and holding countries to ransome!
Se estivessemos TODOS quietinhos e' que estavamos bem...ma agora que estamos no mesmo "saco"...vamos ver se dentro do "tambor" da maquina de lavar roupa nao vamos levar muita porrada...
Mas economicas mais fortes precisam sempre de economias menos forte para "lucrar" com essas menos fortes.
Maldita a hora que se ligou "tudo em rede"....
Tinhamos ficado como um paraiso fiscal e altamente atractivo...
mas e' assim...
YOU LIVE AND LEARN...
Minimizem os danos da queda...pois a queda e' certa.
EDIT: ele de ingles nao tem nada - descendencia italiana e "cresceu" na america - dai o seu sotaque.
Eduardo Filipe
SupremUMM
O que certa gente faz para atrair as atenções do mundo.
E ainda por cima de certeza não vai pagar pelo que fêz.
Assim vai o nosso Mundo.
E ainda por cima de certeza não vai pagar pelo que fêz.
Assim vai o nosso Mundo.